In Ep. 15 of The Jake Woodhouse Podcast, Louis Liu and I explore the core principles of value investing, value investing in an inflationary environment, Bitcoin and the digital transformation of money, the future of investing in fine art, and venture capital in a world where Bitcoin is the new risk free rate.
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 – What is Value Investing?
3:51 – Value Investing in an Inflationary Environment
9:00 – From TradFi to Bitcoin
18:57 – The Digital Transformation of Wealth
35:26 – Investing in Fine Art
48:09 – Why Bitcoin is the New Risk-Free Rate
1:01:53 – The World of Venture Investing: High Risk, High Reward
1:08:10 – How to Connect with Louis Liu
The Philosophy and Evolution of Value Investing:
Louis Liu frames value investing as the art of buying assets below their intrinsic value, a concept grounded in Benjamin Graham’s principles and made famous by Warren Buffett. Traditional value investing relies on models like discounted cash flow (DCF) analysis to assess a company’s future cash flow and compare it to its market price. However, Liu highlights the limitations of these models in evaluating technology companies like Amazon or MicroStrategy, where growth potential often exceeds what classical models can capture. Modern value investing, he argues, requires flexibility, incorporating forward-looking assumptions and subjective evaluation—especially in inflationary environments where traditional safe havens lose their reliability.
Bridging Traditional Finance and Bitcoin:
Liu’s investment philosophy evolved from conservative cash-flowing businesses to venture and private equity analysis, ultimately leading to Bitcoin. He characterizes Bitcoin as a profound disruption to the foundational concept of money itself, arguing that the digital transformation of wealth mirrors the historical evolution from shells and gold to fiat and now Bitcoin. This shift, he believes, requires investors to reassess all valuation models, as Bitcoin introduces a digitally native, censorship-resistant, easily transferable store of value superior to analog assets like real estate and art.
Generational Wealth and Bitcoin as a Treasury Asset:
Drawing on his family’s 30-year legacy in the Chinese art trade, Liu describes how art served as a store of wealth during periods of political instability and inflation. He argues that Bitcoin now fulfills a similar role with added benefits: verifiability, portability, and zero maintenance. This rationale underpins the creation of Mimesis Capital, his family fund structured around long-term Bitcoin accumulation as generational wealth. Bitcoin, he claims, is not just a speculative asset but a new baseline for risk-free capital preservation.
Bitcoin as the New Hurdle Rate:
Liu challenges the conventional definition of risk-free return, proposing Bitcoin’s historical 60% CAGR as the new hurdle rate. From this lens, investors should only consider opportunities that outperform Bitcoin—an extremely high bar. He critiques Bitcoin mining, venture capital, and crypto yield products as often overpromised, underdelivered vehicles for accumulation. Public market proxies like MicroStrategy, with efficient capital market leverage and Bitcoin-heavy balance sheets, are seen as superior alternatives. Venture investments, while occasionally lucrative, rarely outperform Bitcoin over the long term due to dilution, operational risks, and growth ceilings.
Bitcoin’s Asymmetry and the Future of Capital Allocation:
Liu concludes by asserting Bitcoin’s unmatched asymmetric upside, describing it as a once-in-a-generation financial reformation. With intelligent investors split between viewing Bitcoin as worthless or infinitely valuable, he sees this as an unprecedented arbitrage of understanding. The ultimate insight: no product will outgrow Bitcoin, so the most rational strategy is simply to own it. Entrepreneurs should focus not on outpacing Bitcoin, but on integrating it—echoing Saylor’s approach of turning companies into Bitcoin derivatives.